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  • Rob Malley Argues Two States Is an Illusion

    December 16, 2025

    Brian Katulis
    Brian Katulis

    Defense and Security, Israel-Palestine, Nuclear Proliferation, US Policy in the Middle East, Iran, Israel, Palestine, Syria

    Brian sits down with Robert Malley, a former US official best known for his role as the lead negotiator of the 2015 Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action. Malley discusses the motivations behind his new book, Tomorrow Is Yesterday: Life, Death, and the Pursuit of Peace in Israel/Palestine, and offers his assessment of American perspectives on the war in Gaza. The conversation also explores his personal background as the son​ of an Egyptian Jewish father and an American Jewish mother—both outspoken on the political left—and how that upbringing shaped his worldview, alongside a career spanning the Clinton, Obama, and Biden administrations.

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